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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2017, 02:14:40 PM »
No one involved in college football is rich, or gets rich from it... aside from a handful of top tier coaches that can command NFL level salaries, which is actually fair... but that's only a relatively new thing.  Try again.

Well, I suggest you find the person that said "College Football represents the classic american business... make millions off of players who are paid next to nothing." and tell him what you  just said. Let us know what he says.  :roll:
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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2017, 02:16:50 AM »
College Football has become a multi-billion dollar industry.  Did you not know that?

Yes... that was my original post. 


Well, I suggest you find the person that said "College Football represents the classic american business... make millions off of players who are paid next to nothing." and tell him what you  just said. Let us know what he says.  :roll:

I am just trying to figure out who are these "rich white socialists" you refer to.
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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2017, 09:35:23 AM »

I am just trying to figure out who are these "rich white socialists" you refer to.

Most colleges these days are quite literally run by rich white socialists.

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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2017, 10:07:59 AM »
Yes... that was my original post. 


So your original statement:
College Football represents the classic american business... make millions off of players who are paid next to nothing.

Was followed by this about 24 hours later:
No one involved in college football is rich, or gets rich from it... aside from a handful of top tier coaches that can command NFL level salaries, which is actually fair... but that's only a relatively new thing.  Try again.

So first you are saying colleges are like American businesses making millions of dollars off the backs of their workers and then the very next day you state essentially no one is getting rich. Care to explain?
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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2017, 01:57:25 PM »
So your original statement:
Was followed by this about 24 hours later:
So first you are saying colleges are like American businesses making millions of dollars off the backs of their workers and then the very next day you state essentially no one is getting rich. Care to explain?

Right... Colleges and universities make millions in net profits off of their football program, and use the excess football revenues to fund dozens of other sports and hundreds of other athletes in sports that don't pay for themselves.  The football players largely responsible for that revenue get a relative pittance.

http://smartycents.com/articles/college-football-revenue/
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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2017, 08:37:44 PM »
Right... Colleges and universities make millions in net profits off of their football program, and use the excess football revenues to fund dozens of other sports and hundreds of other athletes in sports that don't pay for themselves.  The football players largely responsible for that revenue get a relative pittance.

http://smartycents.com/articles/college-football-revenue/

So... that's how a "classic american business" is run?  ???
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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2017, 09:38:03 AM »
So... that's how a "classic american business" is run?  ???

so the NFL is doing it wrong....as they have some guys literally making hundreds of millions of dollars.....

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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2017, 11:39:12 PM »
so the NFL is doing it wrong....as they have some guys literally making hundreds of millions of dollars.....

Everyone is making money in pro sports... one of the few industries that actually pay employees proportional to their contributions.

So... that's how a "classic american business" is run?  ???

A "classic american business" encompasses most of american history up through the industrial age.  Pay rock bottom labor prices to maximize profit, because labor costs are huge.  The internet economy has been returning companies back to massive profitability because they can scale up with minimal labor costs.  Other industries will follow suit so that going forward we will see an acceleration of people being phased out by machinery, robotics, and AI, and profits go up as a result.  The return of the "classic american business" is here again!   ;D
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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2017, 08:02:44 PM »
I served 10 years in the Marine Corps, and have no problem if they want to "take a knee".  Just in case anyone is wondering, I never saw anyone in my unit singing God Bless America as we geared up to go to the sandbox.  Marines fight and kill so people can do what they like (as long as it doesn't hurt anyone or incite violence.)

Besides, the originator (who I am not a fan of) clearly stated he was just attempting to call attention to the blite of African Americans in our society, not disrespect the troops, veterans or the flag.  It may not be the best method, but it's not the worst one either.  In summary, I could care less if these guys do it, but I think it holds more water when they do it and follow up with productive dialogue and actions like the Cleveland Browns did.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20634368/cleveland-browns-players-joined-police-firefighters-emts-military-show-unity


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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2017, 07:04:50 PM »
It's a 1st Amendment right for them to take a knee.  I get it. But, I don't like it.  It offends me and my sensibilities.  Why ? Because the Flag, for which I am standing and respecting as the National Anthem is being played, represents to me - the sacrifices made FOR me, by others.  Maybe those thoughts aren't applicable to the knee-takers.  Maybe they are.  Do I think all their publicity will change anything ? No. Except maybe lower revenues for the NFL.
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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2017, 09:34:24 PM »
Actually, it's not their 1st Amendment Right (I know that's going around as justification, so let me explain).  They're paid employees who are subject to the rules of their employment contract.  If their actions are in violation of their contract, or if they bring a negative light to their employer, then they can be fined or fired.  Under the logic it's simply them exercising their rights, you could apply that same logic to any type of offensive speech at any employment.  So where does that leave us?  The NFL is condoning and supporting this expression of speech.  They have not supported teams and players when they wanted to show support for such groups and causes such as 9/11, the Dallas PD, and Breast Cancer.  So this is chosen support for a specific cause demonstrated physically.  I have also heard the excuse that it's unique because it's simple physical expression rather than verbal or uniform modifications.  If you believe that, just ask yourself how the NFL would respond if one of the players used the Nazi salute.  Yep, that would be disgusting on a whole new level, but the form of expression and protest would be the same.  The NFL should stick to their business.

Ash, I'm offended by it... but I agree in general with you as I've fought to defend people's rights.  If they want to express themselves this way, that's their choice, i don't have a right to a world where I'm not offended, and no legal consequences will or should follow.  The question is, are they willing to live with the consequences to their employment and their public reputation by expressing themselves this way?  For most of them my guess would be... no. 

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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2017, 10:32:09 AM »
I’m not sure what “right” it was, but my father seemed to have the right to smack me on the back of my head if I did not stand or was wearing my hat during the beginning of the national anthem as a kid.  Plenty of other ways they could be respectfully, peacefully protest.  Not a big fan that the nfl is “stretching” their rules,but that is what the nfl does.  For example “it’s not considered domestic violence because she was not my wife or girlfriend”. He still hit a woman.  What a role model. 

Anyway back to topic.  I would prefer the nfl just not play the national anthem at all then let their “employees” take a knee and disrespect the flag.  That takes this whole drama nonsense and puts it to bed.  Wonder what fans would think if the nfl stopped playing the national anthem???


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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #57 on: October 08, 2017, 02:15:43 PM »
Can we all at least take a minute to appreciate the irony in the "blah blah PC offended safe-space snowflakes" crowd getting offended at political incorrectness because the NFL is no longer a safe space for their particular opinions?

I'm not understanding why there's this level of outrage over kneeling over the anthem. It doesn't seem like it's being done to be purposely disrespectful, it's on the level of forgetting to take off your hat or using the wrong hand. I don't even think the flag code even demands that you stand? So what's the big deal? Ask yourself, when did this become an issue? Are you offended about the kneeling itself, or the opinion being expressed?

I haven't heard any outrage from anyone here over the confederate flag... is that not more disrespectful to the American flag? The way the NFL holds the American flag on all sides across the field is disrespectful, nobody complains. We wipe our faces with American flag napkins on July 4th, that's disrespectful. We buy beer with American flag advertising on it. We wear flag apparel, that's disrespectful. Nobody complains about that. Why kneeling? Of all the NFL scandals. The rapes, the assaults, the cheating, the CTE coverup. This was all okay, but kneeling is where we draw the line? Why? I stopped having anything to do with the NFL a long time ago. Help me understand why allowing kneeling is worse than the other things the league has allowed to happen for years now.

When President "bone spurs" Trump insinuated that POWs are inferior soldiers because they were captured, did you boycott him or did you vote for him? When he spent nearly a week arguing with the parents of a dead US soldier, were you outraged? Or did you make excuses to why it wasn't being disrespectful? Are these things not more offensive to America than kneeling?

Why do we hold athletes to a higher standard than the POTUS?

Anyways here's what's going to eventually happen: Either people forget what they were so offended about by next week, or the NFL will feel the squeeze and decide to keep players off the field during the anthem.

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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2017, 03:34:52 PM »
So many interesting and diverse opinions. I think my opinions over this issue are formed by growing up in a military family and serving in the USAF myself. Taught from an early age to never disrespect our country or flag. My grandfather served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, and although some of you may say he fought for people to have the right to disrespect our country etc, he never believed that and neither do I. Consider me part of the " love it or leave it" bunch.
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Re: Taking a knee....whats your take?
« Reply #59 on: October 08, 2017, 04:50:03 PM »
So many interesting and diverse opinions. I think my opinions over this issue are formed by growing up in a military family and serving in the USAF myself. Taught from an early age to never disrespect our country or flag. My grandfather served in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, and although some of you may say he fought for people to have the right to disrespect our country etc, he never believed that and neither do I. Consider me part of the " love it or leave it" bunch.
 Just saw on CNN that VP Pence stood up and walked out of a Colts game after a bunch of players kneeled during  the anthem.
I couldn't agree more.
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